I'd be game! I've been into this dynamic for a while but I've never really gotten into the 'public' scene, though I'd really like to... I'd also like to meet with like-minded people, as the above poster said...
Pupout has both a monthly Social, which usually has a mosh pit, at someone's house. They also have a monthly bar night. I do not know what activites are included in their bar night.
Our Regularly scheduled Bar Night will have more of a social feel. Gear, pups pupping out if they want, and just hanging out with pups and friends.
When we get the once Monthly Socials started (They will likely start at our house, once we get the Dungeon set up) we will have regular moshes.
Perhaps this will also make the tops of your feet less suseptable to rug burn, if you practice more.
Later on, if there seems to be a need for funds, or anything of that nature, we can consider holding fund raisers at our bar nights, but I prefer them to remain informal and fun at this point.
As I understand this person is only targeting young or inexperienced to Novice boys. He dose not contact experienced players. True Predatory practices go after the weekest of the tribe. Without major Rape counceling and him being here 24/7with me. my pup will never sort this experience out, right now it is a PTSD festering mental wound.
He is actually afraid to meet any of this group or any of my friends incase .......
My Pup is also my best friend. He is going to be 13 in human years this November. He started having trouble going upstairs about a year ago, So When he tells me he was to go, (and he really does know how to tell me), I carry him. He has slipped twice coming down, so now he knows he has to wait for me to go first and wait for him, and I spot for him at the bottom, to insure he doesn't fall. He can't run after his favorite ball, very well any more. And can only play for 5 minutes at a time now instead of endless hours. Some mornings he doesn't feel like eating at his dish, so I bring it to him and sit with him and stoke his back while he eats what ever he feels like eating. Then I reasure him he did a great job, and give him his cookie for desert. He is my best friend, and he can have anything he wants, within my power to give him. When I was sick ten years ago, and needed oxygen at night, every night, to keep breathing, while I was asleep, he would wake me however many times during the night, when that god awful contraption would malfunction, and he would not hear me breathing correctly. He would come over and nudge me awake. EVERY TIME. So, I owe him my life, a bunch of times. He did this for three years! Now, he is four pawed, tail wagging, Shetland Sheep Dog. He is not a two legged pup, but some of them are my friends too, and some of them do some pretty wonderful things for a lot of us, and as time goes on, and they start to slow down a little and not move as fast, We should all remember all the wonderful things that our pups, and the pups that belong to our friends, have done for us, and for others in our comunity, and we should do whatever is needed to insure that they get to go where they want, eat what they want, and be included every single time they want. And the same unconditional love that they have offered to us during their younger more active days, should now be given back in the same unconditional maner that THEY taught us, all those years ago. And maybe, just maybe....this could even be extended to those of us in the comunity that don't actually identify as pups but perhaps it should be how we treat everyone?
Thank you for posting this Jeffers, and trying to keep our pups safe. One thing that the straight community does that I've noticed lacking in the gay community is "safe calls" and/or getting references about people they want to play with.
From what I understand, dog shock collars should not be used on human pups. It puts the contact points too close to the brain stem, and can leave a pup permanently damaged.
While the rest of the scene sounds like a fun one, it isn't fun if not done with consent. At least for the bottom.
On that note, what are the bottoms doing letting themselves get INTO these situations? Haven't there been enough accidents that the bottoms would learn to look before they leap, and think with their heads and not their dicks? Apparently not.
Going to the police with all the vague information might not do anything constructive, unfortunately.
I don't think that it's rationalizing at all, or if it is, I have been rationalizing all along, because for me it was more about the journey then the destination. I honestly didn't think that I would make it as far on the journey as I did. My major disappointment was that I had a message that I wanted to deliver in my speech, and it never came to be. I didn't get to deliver that message: So I thought at the time. Come to find out that what I said was what I needed to say.
I didn't win the contest. I came in 20th place out of the 20 men in the finals. I am okay with that. I admire the strong men, who all deserved to be on that stage. I admire the strong men who didn't make the finals. We all did well, and we were all winners. It doesn't matter where we "placed" in the end.
You wrote the debrief so well that I could actually imagine going through the days with you as I read. My stomach dropped when you came to the part where you forgot the second half of your speech. Some may think that what I'm about to say is just rationalizing, but it's not. I've gone through times when I worked extremely hard to reach a goal: qualify for the Nationals in swimming; win an eventing weekend with my horse; get a book published; get major recognition in an art show, etc, etc. And each time, I threw my heart and soul into the mission; my entire focus in life became successfully reaching my goal. Each time, when I went as far as I could go, sometimes reaching the goal; often not reaching it; I would get a sinking feeling - some type of drop. But the times when I found something meaningful in the journey were the times that I most cherished. Maybe forgetting the second half of your speech was the Universe's way of telling you that you needed to stop focusing on the goal at that point and see some of the wonderful things that were happening on the journey and rediscover all the wonderful things and people you already have around you. I think that, sometimes, staunchly pursuing a goal may sometimes be detrimental to one's self and one's loved ones, and, in the end, not be worth in gain what one has lost.
Thank you for the offer of scritches and treats, Sir Kenneth. I will certainly be taking you up on it. Scritches are an instantaneous transport to nirvana for me.(And I'll quit with all the glitter; I guess I was a hazard zone tonight for anyone who got near me.)
The sight the UBL and the Bears used is nice it will be chilly up there it is schnebly hill road it is undeveloped area fires ok in fire pits, nude sunbatheing on cliffs above sedona and lol only disturbances are occasional jeep tours that off road near where we gwnerally set up, give the touristes a thrill seing a naked man / bear in the woods. another nice thing is we can get a porta john delivered from one of the services out of Flag will run @ 2-250 but if tiy have 15 20 people it makes a real nice addition to the weekend.
It is national forest so nudity is acceptable and leagle. I can volintear the 2 burner cook stove that the UBL bought. I would recomend that this be a payed run to cover costs, meals that were generally done were breakfasts and a dinner drop the lunches as most are out and about durring day.
For pup's heavy Work gloves and industrial off road knee pads recomended, lots of cracked shist granit and sand stone up there. another option is the cave creak group sight that is @ an hr up cave creek road oncew past cave creek. it is a reserved only group sight, not sure if it is avalible yet as there was a fire up there 6 yrs ago, It has a ramada tables vault toylet as perm amenities. is @400 feet from road but a wash seperates the camp from other areas, as far as wood gose it would need to be hauled out
It breaks my heart a little bit to read this, and I wish that there was something I could do. There is certainly a place for aged pups in our community, they just need more tender loving care than some other pups.
Many pups are broken, in various ways. Some pups have been damaged mentally, and need that TLC, some have been damaged Spiritually, and need that TLC, some have been damaged Physically. It does not make them any less of a pup, or mean that they deserve to have their pup ignored, it means extra care and caution when handling these pups.
In my world, all pups are valuable, and all pups should have the love and care that they need. puppy Peaches, if you ever want scritches, just walk up to me and put my hand on your head, and I'll scritch. If I have treats and you want one, bark once, and I'll come to you.
I was shocked to hear that some people were put off by your Supreme God joke. I mean, a person would have to be completely lacking a sense of humor to even consider momentarily that the title, Supreme God, was not a joke. Would a true narcisist go around calling himself, Supreme God? Of course not. Because people would laugh. Someone who really thought he was a Supreme God, wouldn't call himself that; he would just act like he thought he was a Supreme God.
So, what happened to a sense of humor? Who knows. Maybe it disappeared when gas prices reached $4 a gallon...
Frendship pins have been something that we are loseing in the leather comunity, the pins were a way of letting other members know when they run into somebody thats got a friend in the group. Patches indicate that a person is a member of the orginazation. Traditional pin protocall pins are only given out by full members, but never given to someone that outright asks for one{>:-)} they were traditionally given to the person as they were standing and the presenter was down at crotch level sit squat kneel whatever, next the presenter opened the fly and removed the tackle out of the way storeing the apendage in ther mouth (have to keep it warm) the pin went inside the pant leg at @ the same place the head of the apendage will be returned to. put apengdage away close the barn door stand up and give kiss and hug as you run your thigh or knee into the pin making sure it is on securely.
The screw back pins are the premium and actually stay on the best the clutch backs tend to be easily lost. Lanoye embalem has the best rep with the clausenay pins. I have there info at the Shop, they also do embroidered patches. Tuff Stuff will as we do with all other groups make the patches at@ our cost and not mark them up if the group decides on leather. For member name badges I recomend Nameplate distributors at @ 2700 W Thomas, they have done the member badges for UBL for many years. Jeffers
I have reached the conclusion, after serious consideration and more than one aborted idea of having my pup go into space at a bar, that bars are not really condusive to pup space. At least not full pup space. I know that there is that place between pup space and "normal" space, where the inner pup is right there at the surface but hasn't taken over completely, and that could be achieved in the bar, but full pup space doesn't seem practical to me. We have yet to have an event that is condusive to pup space. I wish we could.
Squeaky toys are what we mostly have to play with. i haven't gotten used to chewing on things that are too fuzzy so the rubber toys are my favorite, plus rubber is easier to wash in the dish washer. When buying toys, be aware of how wide you are able to open your snout because it's no fun trying to play with a toy that you can't even grab. The best kinds are ones that have protruding parts or ropes.
Another thing for handlers to be aware of with squeaky toys is to just be conscious that you are getting a squeaky toy and whether or not you have the patience to hear "squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak..." for long periods of time, because you don't want to break a pup's heart by taking away its favorite squeaky toy, now do you?
I'd be game! I've been into this dynamic for a while but I've never really gotten into the 'public' scene, though I'd really like to... I'd also like to meet with like-minded people, as the above poster said...
Yes. Interested. I'm just venturing into the Pup / Master world and I'm interested in meeting like minded people.
i LIKE the idea! See everyone soon.
Woof!!!!!!!!!!
W00t! Exhibitionism and outreach sounds like fun!
Anybody else thinking about going? I'll see you at bar night, we can figure something out.
Pupout has both a monthly Social, which usually has a mosh pit, at someone's house. They also have a monthly bar night. I do not know what activites are included in their bar night.
Our Regularly scheduled Bar Night will have more of a social feel. Gear, pups pupping out if they want, and just hanging out with pups and friends.
When we get the once Monthly Socials started (They will likely start at our house, once we get the Dungeon set up) we will have regular moshes.
Perhaps this will also make the tops of your feet less suseptable to rug burn, if you practice more.
Later on, if there seems to be a need for funds, or anything of that nature, we can consider holding fund raisers at our bar nights, but I prefer them to remain informal and fun at this point.
Is anyone doing this?
As I understand this person is only targeting young or inexperienced to Novice boys. He dose not contact experienced players. True Predatory practices go after the weekest of the tribe. Without major Rape counceling and him being here 24/7with me. my pup will never sort this experience out, right now it is a PTSD festering mental wound.
He is actually afraid to meet any of this group or any of my friends incase .......
Big BearDog hugs Jeffers
My Pup is also my best friend. He is going to be 13 in human years this November. He started having trouble going upstairs about a year ago, So When he tells me he was to go, (and he really does know how to tell me), I carry him. He has slipped twice coming down, so now he knows he has to wait for me to go first and wait for him, and I spot for him at the bottom, to insure he doesn't fall. He can't run after his favorite ball, very well any more. And can only play for 5 minutes at a time now instead of endless hours. Some mornings he doesn't feel like eating at his dish, so I bring it to him and sit with him and stoke his back while he eats what ever he feels like eating. Then I reasure him he did a great job, and give him his cookie for desert. He is my best friend, and he can have anything he wants, within my power to give him. When I was sick ten years ago, and needed oxygen at night, every night, to keep breathing, while I was asleep, he would wake me however many times during the night, when that god awful contraption would malfunction, and he would not hear me breathing correctly. He would come over and nudge me awake. EVERY TIME. So, I owe him my life, a bunch of times. He did this for three years! Now, he is four pawed, tail wagging, Shetland Sheep Dog. He is not a two legged pup, but some of them are my friends too, and some of them do some pretty wonderful things for a lot of us, and as time goes on, and they start to slow down a little and not move as fast, We should all remember all the wonderful things that our pups, and the pups that belong to our friends, have done for us, and for others in our comunity, and we should do whatever is needed to insure that they get to go where they want, eat what they want, and be included every single time they want. And the same unconditional love that they have offered to us during their younger more active days, should now be given back in the same unconditional maner that THEY taught us, all those years ago. And maybe, just maybe....this could even be extended to those of us in the comunity that don't actually identify as pups but perhaps it should be how we treat everyone?
Koko's Daddy.
Please update us if you get any new information.
Thank you,
Thank you for posting this Jeffers, and trying to keep our pups safe. One thing that the straight community does that I've noticed lacking in the gay community is "safe calls" and/or getting references about people they want to play with.
From what I understand, dog shock collars should not be used on human pups. It puts the contact points too close to the brain stem, and can leave a pup permanently damaged.
While the rest of the scene sounds like a fun one, it isn't fun if not done with consent. At least for the bottom.
On that note, what are the bottoms doing letting themselves get INTO these situations? Haven't there been enough accidents that the bottoms would learn to look before they leap, and think with their heads and not their dicks? Apparently not.
Going to the police with all the vague information might not do anything constructive, unfortunately.
I don't think that it's rationalizing at all, or if it is, I have been rationalizing all along, because for me it was more about the journey then the destination. I honestly didn't think that I would make it as far on the journey as I did. My major disappointment was that I had a message that I wanted to deliver in my speech, and it never came to be. I didn't get to deliver that message: So I thought at the time. Come to find out that what I said was what I needed to say.
I didn't win the contest. I came in 20th place out of the 20 men in the finals. I am okay with that. I admire the strong men, who all deserved to be on that stage. I admire the strong men who didn't make the finals. We all did well, and we were all winners. It doesn't matter where we "placed" in the end.
Sir Kenneth,
You wrote the debrief so well that I could actually imagine going through the days with you as I read. My stomach dropped when you came to the part where you forgot the second half of your speech. Some may think that what I'm about to say is just rationalizing, but it's not. I've gone through times when I worked extremely hard to reach a goal: qualify for the Nationals in swimming; win an eventing weekend with my horse; get a book published; get major recognition in an art show, etc, etc. And each time, I threw my heart and soul into the mission; my entire focus in life became successfully reaching my goal. Each time, when I went as far as I could go, sometimes reaching the goal; often not reaching it; I would get a sinking feeling - some type of drop. But the times when I found something meaningful in the journey were the times that I most cherished. Maybe forgetting the second half of your speech was the Universe's way of telling you that you needed to stop focusing on the goal at that point and see some of the wonderful things that were happening on the journey and rediscover all the wonderful things and people you already have around you. I think that, sometimes, staunchly pursuing a goal may sometimes be detrimental to one's self and one's loved ones, and, in the end, not be worth in gain what one has lost.
Just this puppy's opinion,
Licks and snuggles, puppy Peaches.
When I read about the puppy sleepover, I thought, "Wow! Neat!" Then when I saw the date, Aug 8, I remembered that Apex Academy is the 8th, 9th, 10th.
Bummer.
That type of thing happens a lot in life: not much happening for a while, and then it pours good stuff all on the same day. Ah well.
Licks and snuggles,
puppy Peaches
Thank you for the offer of scritches and treats, Sir Kenneth. I will certainly be taking you up on it. Scritches are an instantaneous transport to nirvana for me.(And I'll quit with all the glitter; I guess I was a hazard zone tonight for anyone who got near me.)
puppy Peaches
The sight the UBL and the Bears used is nice it will be chilly up there it is schnebly hill road it is undeveloped area fires ok in fire pits, nude sunbatheing on cliffs above sedona and lol only disturbances are occasional jeep tours that off road near where we gwnerally set up, give the touristes a thrill seing a naked man / bear in the woods. another nice thing is we can get a porta john delivered from one of the services out of Flag will run @ 2-250 but if tiy have 15 20 people it makes a real nice addition to the weekend.
It is national forest so nudity is acceptable and leagle. I can volintear the 2 burner cook stove that the UBL bought. I would recomend that this be a payed run to cover costs, meals that were generally done were breakfasts and a dinner drop the lunches as most are out and about durring day.
For pup's heavy Work gloves and industrial off road knee pads recomended, lots of cracked shist granit and sand stone up there. another option is the cave creak group sight that is @ an hr up cave creek road oncew past cave creek. it is a reserved only group sight, not sure if it is avalible yet as there was a fire up there 6 yrs ago, It has a ramada tables vault toylet as perm amenities. is @400 feet from road but a wash seperates the camp from other areas, as far as wood gose it would need to be hauled out
It breaks my heart a little bit to read this, and I wish that there was something I could do. There is certainly a place for aged pups in our community, they just need more tender loving care than some other pups.
Many pups are broken, in various ways. Some pups have been damaged mentally, and need that TLC, some have been damaged Spiritually, and need that TLC, some have been damaged Physically. It does not make them any less of a pup, or mean that they deserve to have their pup ignored, it means extra care and caution when handling these pups.
In my world, all pups are valuable, and all pups should have the love and care that they need. puppy Peaches, if you ever want scritches, just walk up to me and put my hand on your head, and I'll scritch. If I have treats and you want one, bark once, and I'll come to you.
Hi,
I was shocked to hear that some people were put off by your Supreme God joke. I mean, a person would have to be completely lacking a sense of humor to even consider momentarily that the title, Supreme God, was not a joke. Would a true narcisist go around calling himself, Supreme God? Of course not. Because people would laugh. Someone who really thought he was a Supreme God, wouldn't call himself that; he would just act like he thought he was a Supreme God.
So, what happened to a sense of humor? Who knows. Maybe it disappeared when gas prices reached $4 a gallon...
Licks and snuggles,
puppy Peaches (aka slave velvet)
Next time, i will remember to bring a camera. This was so much fun. Thanks to everyone who showed up.
Frendship pins have been something that we are loseing in the leather comunity, the pins were a way of letting other members know when they run into somebody thats got a friend in the group. Patches indicate that a person is a member of the orginazation. Traditional pin protocall pins are only given out by full members, but never given to someone that outright asks for one{>:-)} they were traditionally given to the person as they were standing and the presenter was down at crotch level sit squat kneel whatever, next the presenter opened the fly and removed the tackle out of the way storeing the apendage in ther mouth (have to keep it warm) the pin went inside the pant leg at @ the same place the head of the apendage will be returned to. put apengdage away close the barn door stand up and give kiss and hug as you run your thigh or knee into the pin making sure it is on securely.
The screw back pins are the premium and actually stay on the best the clutch backs tend to be easily lost. Lanoye embalem has the best rep with the clausenay pins. I have there info at the Shop, they also do embroidered patches. Tuff Stuff will as we do with all other groups make the patches at@ our cost and not mark them up if the group decides on leather. For member name badges I recomend Nameplate distributors at @ 2700 W Thomas, they have done the member badges for UBL for many years. Jeffers
I say allow each member the choice.
- pup mohawk
I think Sir Kenneth's idea of a giving each member a choice is perfect. How much easier could it be.
It was a really good time and only a couple of people were terrorized by a rainbow colored UFO.
Thank you so much Dave, the pictures are great!
Mr. Cellblock Phoenix Leather 2008
A-PAH Leader
I have reached the conclusion, after serious consideration and more than one aborted idea of having my pup go into space at a bar, that bars are not really condusive to pup space. At least not full pup space. I know that there is that place between pup space and "normal" space, where the inner pup is right there at the surface but hasn't taken over completely, and that could be achieved in the bar, but full pup space doesn't seem practical to me. We have yet to have an event that is condusive to pup space. I wish we could.
Mr. Cellblock Phoenix Leather 2008
A-PAH Owner
Squeaky toys are what we mostly have to play with. i haven't gotten used to chewing on things that are too fuzzy so the rubber toys are my favorite, plus rubber is easier to wash in the dish washer. When buying toys, be aware of how wide you are able to open your snout because it's no fun trying to play with a toy that you can't even grab. The best kinds are ones that have protruding parts or ropes.
Another thing for handlers to be aware of with squeaky toys is to just be conscious that you are getting a squeaky toy and whether or not you have the patience to hear "squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak, squeak..." for long periods of time, because you don't want to break a pup's heart by taking away its favorite squeaky toy, now do you?
:-)
- pup mohawk